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  ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

  exhibit list.

  joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

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  Richard Oliver

  Ok, Orphan Crow, I read through your whole last statement. And I agree with you that child pornography does affect children both inside and outside of a congregation. And in fact an abuser of child pornography theoretically could go much longer without detection just by the nature that they don't have a victim that either knows them or is aware that the specific person even exists. And yes if a elder does investigate a matter of child pornography and they view the image they would be breaking the law.

  I also understand your point that there is that specific statement that says that they don't view child pornography as child abuse and it is your right to be furious with the implication that it has. And certainly it is not a huge thing to ask for them to change that one phrase.

  I have acknowledged all of that and agree with you on all of that. And I understand that you may not see it as carrying the same weight or any weight, but do you acknowledge that the BOE Dated August 1, 2016, that it does state that child pornography is child abuse.
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  ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

  exhibit list.

  joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

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  Richard Oliver

  And again it is great that you cannot argue with the facts but just with what you think about me. Please argue the fact that Watchtower did state that child pornography is child abuse when it provided the definition of child abuse. See you can't argue that statement. You want to attack me as a person because those are the facts.
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  347

  ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

  exhibit list.

  joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

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  Richard Oliver

  What argument that i have stated here is a Strawman argument please provide me with a specific example.
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  ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

  exhibit list.

  joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

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  Richard Oliver

  So attacking me and not the argument is what it has come down too. Please dispute the fact that Watchtower did state in the BOE Protecting Minors from Abuse that it clearly states that child pornography is child abuse.
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  ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

  exhibit list.

  joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

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  Richard Oliver

  Outlaw:

  Even from Wikipedia itself:

  Wikipedia is not considered a credible source. Wikipedia is increasingly used by people in the academic community, from freshman students to professors, as an easily accessible tertiary source for information about anything and everything. However, citation of Wikipedia in research papers may be considered unacceptable, because Wikipedia is not considered a credible or authoritative source.[1][2][3]
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  ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

  exhibit list.

  joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

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  Richard Oliver

  California statutes on child pornography is broken up into 5 separate statutes.

  California Penal Code 311.1 which is the statute that can be used to prosecute the possession of child pornography does not use the term child abuse nor child exploitation.

  California Penal Code 311.3 does use the term sexual exploitation and specifies it is for those under the age of 18. Though this statute only applies to the creation and/or distribution of child pornography, not the possession or viewing of child pornography.

  California Penal Code 311.4 which is used to prosecutes individuals who either attempts or gets a minor to perform in child pornography. This statute does not use the term child abuse nor child exploitation.

  California Penal Code 311.10 which is used to prosecute individuals in promoting or distributing child pornography. This statute does not use the term child abuse nor child exploitation.

  California Penal Code 311.11 which is used to prosecute individuals who possess child pornography. This statute does not use the term child abuse nor child exploitation.

  So Orphan Crow by your logic, because the State of California does not specifically correlate child pornography and child abuse or exploitation together except for the creation and distribution of it, then the state of California’s Penal Code has cracks in it and the rest of the house cannot be built on it. That is not what the law is saying. Again just because it doesn’t say it in one part of the penal code doesn’t mean that the legislature doesn’t view it that way, it is dealt with in another part of the code. Just like with Watchtower’s Policy, you have to take the whole policy in total not just a small part or a part of a sentence.
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  ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

  exhibit list.

  joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

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  Richard Oliver

  Yes outlaw because Wikipedia is the most reliable and is an authoritative resource. High School teachers won't even allow their students to use Wikipedia as their only source when writing a paper. That is the problem, with allowing anyone to edit a encyclopedia, you don't get the best results. You should look up the sources in that Wikipedia article and use a primary source.
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  ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

  exhibit list.

  joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

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  Richard Oliver

  Sparrowdown. Form of child abuse is correct. As child abuse can take on many different forms or can be expressed in many different ways. What you are saying is that child pornography would be the only way of child abuse.
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  ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

  exhibit list.

  joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

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  Richard Oliver

  Orphan crow. Finally do you or do you not agree that in the BOE Letter Protecting Minors from Abuse that the definition in paragraph 2 includes in it that child pornography is a form of child abuse?
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  ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

  exhibit list.

  joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

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  Richard Oliver

  Also orphan crow you and outlaw love to use the term “building or using a strawman argument.” I am not sure where you got your definition of that term from but that is not what the term means. In fact you keep building a strawman argument. Here is what Purdue OWL defines as a strawman argument.

  Straw Man: This move oversimplifies an opponent's viewpoint and then attacks that hollow argument.

  People who don't support the proposed state minimum wage increase hate the poor.

  In this example, the author attributes the worst possible motive to an opponent's position. In reality, however, the opposition probably has more complex and sympathetic arguments to support their point. By not addressing those arguments, the author is not treating the opposition with respect or refuting their position.

  Notice that you keep reducing my argument down to a simplistic point when I am doing the complete opposite. I am showing that there is a number of sides to a matter when it comes to child abuse, but you keep narrowing it down to one single point that you know you then attack.

  What I may have done in the past is a red herring where to avoid specific topics by shifting it to a different argument.

  But you also avoid the main topic and choose to go with logical fallacies of ad hominem where you attack my person or character rather than the actual opinions or facts. Ad populum where you use a argument that will illicit other people agreeing with you because it would be unpopular not to do so. And a post hoc ergo propter hoc where you feel that just because one thing occurred after another so therefore the first thing must have caused the second without taking into other accounts or possibilities.